Sunsets New World ...
Sunsets New World ...
Photo by Andrei Voitsehov, photographer. Landscapes. Canon EOS 6D, published 16.08.2015.
Comments 64
Alekseenko Aleksei Nikolaevich
16.08.2015 12:32
All the ingredients of a masterpiece are there. Colorful, beautiful, atmospheric... but at the same time, bland, monotonous, and pathetic.
๑_ Fizik _๑(Aleksei)
16.08.2015 13:08
Sky)
Egrel 141.58
16.08.2015 13:11
Beautiful!
Andrei Voitsehov
16.08.2015 13:41
All the ingredients of a masterpiece are there. Colorful, beautiful, atmospheric... but at the same time, faceless, monotonous, pathetic...
Alexey Nikolaevich Alekseenko, .....I get it, faceless, missing a Woman in a Headscarf, a boy... and a Wooden House!!!!!!!!!! I WILL WORK
Andrei Voitsehov
16.08.2015 13:42
Beautiful!
Egrel, THANK YOU!!!
Andrei Voitsehov
16.08.2015 13:43
Sky)
Physicist, Thank you, the sky there is often very interesting!!!!!
Juriy Ts.
Juriy Ts. 1,064.21
16.08.2015 15:54
Good work!
Alekseenko Aleksei Nikolaevich
16.08.2015 16:04
Andrey Voitsekhov, no.... here everything is simpler - there is not enough PHOTOGRAPH... but if you wish, you can add whatever you want to the coloring book)
Fenix
Fenix 51.00
16.08.2015 16:17
All the ingredients of a masterpiece are there. Colorful, beautiful, atmospheric... but at the same time, faceless, monotonous, pathetic...
Alexey Nikolaevich Alekseenko, a beautifully painted landscape, and from Crimea, no less
Alekseenko Aleksei Nikolaevich
16.08.2015 16:20
Phoenix, Crimea, what... now they're giving him recommendations for patriotism
Andrew Kud 25.48
16.08.2015 16:27
Alexey Nikolaevich Alekseenko,
It's impossible to explain anything to this crowd within a comment. Statements like these only anger them. Out of bewilderment.
Are you prepared to write an article to explain your point of view in detail and with reasonable arguments?
And I'm sure the Master would be happy to post it on the website.
That's when it would be useful, in my opinion.
Fenix
Fenix 51.00
16.08.2015 16:27
aspen
Andrew Kud 25.48
16.08.2015 16:34
...Crimea, what?
Alexey Nikolaevich Alekseenko,
You're wrong... There's absolutely no point in this here.
It's best not to scratch that blemish: it'll end in psoriasis, and there's no stopping it.
Do you need it?
Andrei Voitsehov
16.08.2015 16:41
Andrey Voitsekhov, no.... everything is simpler here - there is not enough PHOTOGRAPHY... but as you wish, you can add whatever you want to the coloring book)
Alekseenko Alexey Nikolaevich, ... That's what I'm saying - Simple Ordinary Landscape - and SO many statements from the "master"
Malakhov
MalakhovPRO 78.79
16.08.2015 16:58
Andrew Kud, regarding the article, that's a good point. You saw there's even a section here—abandoned. But the issue isn't that, it's the lack of a way to compare different platforms. I mean, yes, some people might dig through the comments, but most are too lazy and don't need it. A summary is needed, yes. I support the idea.
Andrew Kud 25.48
16.08.2015 17:10
Malakhov,
My next suggestion to the Master would be to establish a more thorough order in the "categories":
- Art;
- Reportage;
- Fashion;
- Calendar photography (for calendars, landscape photography, consumer goods, "get in, hurry, buy art")
- etc.
and, finally,
- Consumer photography
That is, there can be no "landscapes" (or "animals," etc.) outside the division into art, consumer goods, or consumer goods, if we do it wisely.
Then, whether we like it or not, lovers of such nonsense will have to think about it.
Malakhov
MalakhovPRO 78.79
16.08.2015 17:14
Andrew Kud, basically, yes... But the amateurs will think about it, and they'll leave and move on to the defocused areas. And what about traffic? The admins will think about it... It's a double-edged sword here.
Alekseenko Aleksei Nikolaevich
16.08.2015 17:18
Andrew Kud, not yet. Not ready. Sometimes you avoid explanations, limiting yourself to statements, knowing the author doesn't need it, and will demolish a detailed explanation simply out of a desire to ruin the opponent's work.
Malakhov
MalakhovPRO 78.79
16.08.2015 17:20
Alexey Nikolayevich Alekseenko, well, Alexey Nikolayevich, it's not about writing an article here. It's about making it an article in itself, about creating a stir, not about making a big deal out of it.
Alekseenko Aleksei Nikolaevich
16.08.2015 17:20
Andrew Kud, I remember there was a negative rating system on Photocritic that was generally acceptable. I remember seeing this kind of scribbled mess, sometimes climbing up the rankings in seconds... I'm glad someone decided to clean up the site...
Alekseenko Aleksei Nikolaevich
16.08.2015 17:21
Malakhov, I'll scribble some notes when I go on vacation.
Malakhov
MalakhovPRO 78.79
16.08.2015 17:23
Alekseenko Alexey Nikolaevich, ah, malazza! I remember))
Andrew Kud 25.48
16.08.2015 17:25
Alexey Nikolaevich Alekseenko,
Anti-rating is simply a vital necessity for the site today.
And in general, the rating system adopted here is destructive. It's impossible to imagine anything worse.
But this isn't the place to start a conversation about this.
I think if I explain the horror of this system to the Master and suggest something more reasonable and useful for the site, he'll agree.
Andrew Kud 25.48
16.08.2015 17:28
Malakhov,
But the amateurs will think about it and then leave.
But such things will happen (not people, but business nuances) that the site will be simply in shambles. And the photographers from the HF section will be too.
Remember the idea that started EKS?
It was a powerful idea. But Aksyonov ruined it.
Malakhov
MalakhovPRO 78.79
16.08.2015 17:33
Andrew Kud, 1x.com?
Andrew Kud 25.48
16.08.2015 17:40
Andrew Kud, 1x.com?
Malakhov, no, more powerful. Significantly.
But this conversation is completely inappropriate right now. And not the right time. For now, we need to clear up some basic nitpicks.
Master
MasterPRO 0.00
16.08.2015 17:43
Anti-rek is a vital necessity for a website today.
Anti-rek has been around for a long time; it's the "No" button next to Recommend. This button sends work to the home album provided the anti-rek weight is greater than the recommendation weight.
Andrew Kud 25.48
16.08.2015 17:46
Master,
I don't have that button.
Malakhov
MalakhovPRO 78.79
16.08.2015 17:47
Master,
The weight of anti-rivers is greater than the weight of recommendations.
Are these weights calculated equally? I remember there was a peculiarity with rivers—an anti-honey thing, perhaps—that the more often we love a woman, the less she likes us. So, regular rivers from one author to another have less and less weight. Does the same thing apply to the red button?
Valeriy Sviderskiy
16.08.2015 18:01
Dear Andrew Kud, Malakhov, and others wishing to "restore order."

The administration acted very wisely by allocating a sandbox for those with a "special view" and "HF" where they can frolic as they please and develop their own value system. I urge you to calm down and stop spitting in the neighboring sandboxes.
Keks Photo died not so much from poor work as from rudeness, bad manners, and a lack of culture. The same applies to some other sites from which you now recruit individual bankrupt photo claqueurs, who became "famous" mainly for their gang-like attacks on newcomers and each other, which eventually led to them all falling out. Write articles, educate. It would be nice if you took some useful photos yourself.
If you still don't like it, the whole gang should go to HE.
No need to make that Libya thing. The people here are slow and polite. Belarus. A ragtag bunch.
Hello, SV
Andrew Kud 25.48
16.08.2015 18:02
I'm glad someone decided to clean up the site...
Alexey Nikolaevich Alekseenko,
And I'm glad that such important voices as yours, Phoenix, and others are coming to life on the site.
Andrew Kud 25.48
16.08.2015 18:11
Valeriy Sviderskiy,
You're calling out individual bankrupt photo claqueurs
Excuse me, but you'll never reach the level of photographic mastery and the level of understanding of the philosophical aspects of the photography phenomenon of those you've dubbed "claqueurs," even if you worked your ass off.
Malakhov
MalakhovPRO 78.79
16.08.2015 18:22
Valeriy Sviderskiy,
If you still really don't like it, then the whole gang should go to HE.
And these people forbid me from picking my nose! And they even allow themselves to hint about lack of culture. Unable to organize their own thoughts, they take it upon themselves to call and proclaim...
Valeriy Sviderskiy
16.08.2015 18:24
You'll never reach the level of photographic mastery and philosophical understanding of the phenomenon of photography of those you've dubbed "clackers," even if you work your ass off.
Wow!

That's why I urge you to limit yourself to the allotted sandbox.
Educating fools is fine, but starting wars with them isn't a sign of intelligence.
As for me and ordinary people, those who prefer to wear pants rather than jump out of them in public, we certainly come to society in pants, and for cultural interaction. No amount of genius would make me, for example, communicate with someone who jumps out of their pants in public. I imagine you find that equally disgusting. Everything you write is essentially witty and informative. Leave wars with idiots to idiots.
Speaking of philosophy, did you also study at Moscow State University's philosophy department? I'm glad if so.
Hi, SV.
Valeriy Sviderskiy
16.08.2015 18:27
Malakhov,
Your complaints are received with sympathy.
Take comfort, we love you. Even if you decide to go to HE, we will not let you go under any circumstances. You will be mistreated there.
Alekseenko Aleksei Nikolaevich
16.08.2015 18:29
Valeriy Sviderskiy, aren't you tired of demagoguery yet? No one fights idiots, they're just trying to isolate them. I hope that makes things clearer.
Valeriy Sviderskiy
16.08.2015 18:32
Alexey Nikolaevich Alekseenko,
Nobody fights idiots, they're trying to isolate them
Are we going to put a star on the back?
Alekseenko Aleksei Nikolaevich
16.08.2015 18:37
Valeriy Sviderskiy, what does this have to do with it? It's simply a matter of separating the wheat from the chaff, without bias or discrimination, which is what art photography websites are for. For everything else, there's Yandex Photos, etc. We're not talking about aggressively squeezing them out; they'll die out on their own when the environment that breeds kitsch, mass appeal, and bad taste disappears.
Andrew Kud 25.48
16.08.2015 18:37
Valeriy Sviderskiy,
I don't fight idiots, but the list of people I don't intend to interact with here grows regularly.
You're among those vying for a place on it.
In fact, you spat shit at people I respect (and in the wider photography community), and now you're hiding behind empty words instead of simply apologizing for your obscenity.
Do you even understand the difference between who you are in photography and who, say, Dima Orlov is? No?
Vlad O. 5.13
16.08.2015 18:48
Master,
I don't have that button
Andrew Kud, that's because your rating is 0.00. Once it goes up, the button will appear. That's how I understand it.
Andrew Kud 25.48
16.08.2015 19:07
ytrewq, thank you.
So it seems my opinion can't be trusted.
Maybe it's for the best.
Valeriy Sviderskiy
16.08.2015 19:08
Andrew Kud
You see, I didn't mention anyone by name, but you immediately identified the characters by the essential characteristics I mentioned. So, these characteristics do exist! So, I was right in noting them as the most recognizable (essential), typical of these individuals. I have nothing and no one to apologize for. If anything happens, apologize to them yourself, assuring them of your (unnamed) respect. It's your right.

Who are you in photography, and who, for example, is Dima Orlov? No?
I don't know Mr. Orlov's pedigree.
I know mine.
I don't know any masterpieces by Mr. Dima Orlov.
There are two good ones. + 12,000 "comments" on the topic "ah, landscape again", "tired of amateurs"
Boring. IMHO
Vlad O. 5.13
16.08.2015 19:30
Andrew Kud, if you add a picture, you'll be able to negatively report, write articles without fear of being deleted, and have somewhere to contact you if needed.
Well, that's an option.
Andrew Kud 25.48
16.08.2015 19:37
I didn't name anyone,
Sviderskiy, backing you into a corner with all your naive cunning is a task for a first-grader.
Yes, you didn't name them, but you claim
You're now calling out individual bankrupt photo claqueurs
It simply follows that you know by name these "individuals" I'm calling out and about whom you've allowed yourself the epithet "bankrupt photo claqueurs."
Or how should I understand you?
Do I mean that you DON'T KNOW who I'm calling out, who exactly I'm talking about, but you claim they are such and such?
But that's the position of an idiot.
Let's assume you're not an idiot.
Then who is?
***
You're on my list, Svidersky. From now on, you're gone.
Andrew Kud 25.48
16.08.2015 19:39
ytrewq,
could you add a picture?
Isn't this enough?
t p v 33.23
16.08.2015 19:46
Andrew Kud,
Isn't that enough?
The rating is calculated in a really complicated way here. It could go down (which happens regularly for me), or it could even go to zero, so to speak...
Vlad O. 5.13
16.08.2015 19:49
Andrew Kud, hmm... apparently the rating isn't yet calculated for photos posted in the new HF category. You should ask the Master.
Valeriy Sviderskiy
16.08.2015 20:42
Dear Andrew Kud,

Drop that Jewish arrogance of yours—life will be easier. You won't surprise anyone here or gain any credibility.
I haven't written you off anywhere; I listen to your thoughtful comments, which, alas, have begun to be drowned out by the noise of the squabbles flaring up around you.
And one more piece of advice: don't try to catch me out with sophistries and other cheap tricks. We're in different weight classes.
Sincerely, SV
Anonym 0.00
16.08.2015 20:57
Unfortunately, I can't crop the diagonal, so I'll use the sum of the areas:
View crop + View crop. A pink-green "Milky Way."
Well, it's better to flip it.
I don't recommend it.
altimona
altimona 29.04
16.08.2015 21:26
I don't recommend it.
We've all just heard the anti-reaction formula – it absolutely doesn't work against mutual recrimination!
And to hell with it!

Now it's much more important to create, as VS puts it, our own sandbox, where it's interesting and vibrant
so much so that authors from other sandboxes won't want to leave the site, but rather look within themselves for their own reserves –
isn't that the great power of art?
Including HF

Well, it's really boring to respond to certain phrases and to certain authors
Anonym 0.00
16.08.2015 21:31
altimona,

I just saw the work you recommended.



I really liked it. It feels like it's not a sheet of paper, but a little prince...

Here's the photograph. And at the top is a frame for 18 recommendations.
Vlad O. 5.13
16.08.2015 21:37
altimona, very good and correct words.

PDG, it's a shame the author of that work disabled comments.
altimona
altimona 29.04
16.08.2015 21:37
PDG, I generally love this author, "secluded in a pillar"
And in the last photo posted, it's not just the little prince – look how the space around him seamlessly transforms from a dirty windowsill into something ethereal and fairytale-like.
altimona
altimona 29.04
16.08.2015 21:39
ytrewq, he turned them off because... I'll tell you somehow... maybe...
Vlad O. 5.13
16.08.2015 21:46
altimona, I understand. There's always a reason for everything. Don't tell me. I don't think it's a very pretty story.
altimona
altimona 29.04
16.08.2015 22:03
not a very pretty story
ytrewq, well, it's not really a story...
When Andrew Kud says that a critic should first and foremost talk about their platform (express their paradigm in words) - he's a thousand times right!

Dan70 is an artist by profession.

and simply an internally harmonious person,
with his own philosophy of life...

...back then, under photographs, people talked only about photography.
That evening, his self-portrait "received" the attention of all the club's critics.

Everyone knew "how it should have been" - about the lighting, the angle, and the framing.
Just like the fable "the elephant artist."

But unlike Mikhalkov's character, Dan70 didn't listen to anyone,
he didn't stop expressing his thoughts on the photo screen,
he simply turned off the sound.

Respect!
Vlad O. 5.13
16.08.2015 22:18
altimona, I see. Well, everything is as I thought. You really did the right thing. Well done! A self-sufficient man.
Master
MasterPRO 0.00
16.08.2015 22:47
Master,
I don't have such a button
Andrew Kud, yes, a certain minimum author rating is needed for it to appear. Initially, recommendations were fully weighted, and the rating was based simply on the number of recommendations, and it was possible to simply register 10-20 empty accounts and periodically build up rivers. Then this system was changed, and rivers were given a WEIGHT, which depends on the author's rating; this weight ranges from 0.2 to 4, I think, and the total weight of recommendations is the works rating. Thus, rivers created by empty accounts became meaningless, and this system has been successfully operating for a long time. (Plus, yes, there are some amendments that reduce the river's weight based on the number of mutual recommendations.)

Sending works to DA acts as a counterweight, and for a work to go to DA, the weight of "anti-requests" must be greater than the weight of recommendations. So even if you do have this button, the weight of your rec (and anti-rec) will be minimal, unfortunately. This button has been around for a while, but unfortunately, few people use it, and often you have to submit to DA manually.

There are several other problems with anti-recs. Firstly, if you give someone permission to submit works to DA, it will soon turn out that 90% of the works there don't meet the special criteria. Secondly, my personal belief is that anti-recs and other downvotes should be handled very carefully. People (for the most part) usually don't care about proper ratings or any other thoughtful filtering of works, but they will happily use downvotes out of revenge, which completely destroys the image of objectivity and introduces even more chaos. Therefore, in my opinion, a good practice is a system of recommendations, upvotes, etc. – either they recommend it or quietly pass it by, or they mark the work as artistic, and everyone is pleased
Vlad O. 5.13
16.08.2015 22:55
Master, what about the fact that Andrew Kud has a work and the works have a rating, but the author has a rating of 0.00? Is the problem with the new HF category?
Malakhov
MalakhovPRO 78.79
17.08.2015 06:04
Master, weight-counterweight, a system of leverage—that's understandable. But why don't you want to strip the red button of anonymity? Are you afraid of vindictiveness? As for me, a minus from a reputable author is no less informative than a plus. And it opens up the opportunity to continue the party by asking him about the reasons.
Master
MasterPRO 0.00
17.08.2015 10:11
Andrew Kud, hmm... apparently the rating isn't calculated yet for photos posted in the new HF category. You should ask the Master.
ytrewq, yes, we fixed that, the rating is now up.
Master
MasterPRO 0.00
17.08.2015 10:12
Master, weight-counterweight, a system of levers—that's understandable. Why don't you want to strip the red button of anonymity? Are you afraid of vindictiveness? As for me, a minus from a reputable author is no less informative than a plus. And it opens up the opportunity to continue the party by asking him about the reasons.
Malakhov, as I already said, almost no one uses this button. If we strip it of anonymity, the number of times it's pressed will drop to zero.
Vlad O. 5.13
17.08.2015 10:42
ytrewq, yes, we fixed that, the rating is back.
Master, I noticed that Andrew Kud got it working. But Monoklon still hasn't.
altimona
altimona 29.04
17.08.2015 10:47
If you strip her of her anonymity, the number of her clicks will drop to zero
Master, the number of anonymous clicks will drop)

Everything has been tested on Exe long ago – the personalized "+"s and "-"s work.
There are also few downsides, but they are open, informative, and in themselves are not a topic of conversation.
Andrei Voitsehov
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